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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jan 29, 2010 4:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Checking in on TDIH, there is a show from 87. Reading thru the reviews, the general consensus is that the show is really terrible due to Bobby being distraught over the death of Otis.

Naturally...my curiosity gets the better of me. I start streaming the show. I gotta hear for myself if this is as bad as it's made out to be.

Just wondering if anyone else does this. Kinda like a train wreck or really bad car accident. Gruesome to see, but you just can't take your eyes off of it.

For the record, the show is pretty bad so far....3 songs in.
Listen out of macabre curiosity only....if you dare!
Bwaaaa haaaa haaaaa

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Poster: gphishmon Date: Jan 30, 2010 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

To get back on topic:

I presume you're talking about actual train wrecks in the music rather than them just mailing in an unchallenging, jamless setlist like they did so many times in the mid-80's.

10/17/84 had a rather rough ending to GDTR, but the song, and the show overall, was hot, so I wouldn't call it a train wreck. Probably the worst train wreck, pre-95 and not counting Woodstock, that I can recall was Brent's drunken "Maybe You Know" during Drums, but I forget the date. Also, on "Brokedown Palace" 7/2/85, Jerry started singing the first regular verse ("Gonna leave ...") instead of the intro ("Fare you well ..."), then stopped as he realized he wasn't in the right key. "Hello, sounded good didn't it?" he said, to the delight of ~ 18,000 amused fans. Again, it was a pretty solid show (for 85) otherwise.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I try not to listen to almost anything from 87'. I find most of it horrific.

I saw 15 shows that year and wish I had stayed home for most of them.

Telluride was a great experience but for the most part the music was lackluster. It may have been their best year for record sales and worst shows till Vince showed up.

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

ya... after Jerry's coma I changed careers and started a new business working in Commercial Landscaping and Underground. Ask, Toy for Tots run Hard Rock Cafe 1986 the home of the dancing bears.....

NEXT TIME BRING A TOY BONEHEADS .... it cost me nearly $100. to start filling the barrel with stuffed Walgreen's bears.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

that Shoreline one they used as filler for View from the vault aint too bad

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I nominate this thread as the #1 train wreck in GD history.

Is that a tuna can in your pocket or are you just stubby?

Saw reviews for the 93 show some were discussing. "Best Crazy Fingers"??

Best? Best?

http://www.archive.org/details/gd76-06-14.sbd.hollister.22804.sbeok.shnf

Hard to say what's best. But this one is really, really, really good.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

come there are bound to be some more horrible shows! I have heard plenty good ones and plenty bland ones.
I remember listing to one particularly bad one form 69 (yes they did F8&k up back then also). A sloshed Pig is asking Jerry to play "alligator". Jerry keeps telling him, no we can't play that tune now. Pig is sad and dejected.. the show if freaking mess. Not sure the date...

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jan 30, 2010 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I'll Second That

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

yeah I was going to start a thread on Crazy Fingers. I dig this tune but why is it that after 76 there isn't ONE version where the intro isn't all fumbly and fucked. They NEVER took their time to get that intro right after 76.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I remember that review. I recall that the Looks Like rain is especially bad for some reason. I could be wrong.

Also the 2 trainwrecks that come to mind are brent's meltdown of Maybe you know at Berkeley in 86 and Jerry's....whatever...of Wharf Rat in NJ 95. I'm not looking to fight but for all of you who say Jerry was trying to be Dylan or being improvisational and the band just didn't follow him, please save it. The recording is tough enough to deal with.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Jan 29, 2010 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

"Kinda like a train wreck or really bad car accident. Gruesome to see, but you just can't take your eyes off of it."

That's how most AUDs affect me.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I thought you were referring to the tragic highjack and it accident scene quality.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 29, 2010 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I dont have a problem with audience recordings when no soundboard circulates for a performance.

What I find highly offensive are matrices! How could aduterating a pristine Eaton or Cantor sourced Charlie Miler soundboard with crowd sounds possibly enhance a listening experience? Its like adding a laugh track to a TV show...

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Poster: groovernut Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I think they can be cool... Layering sound creates a richer fuller sound.... just like an HRDI image... go look it up.

I excellent thing is we have both.

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Jan 29, 2010 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

100% agree!
Never quite got the whole "matrix" thing. Especially the ones made after the fact - they sound so fake for lack of a better description. I don't mind some of the ones made in real time though. Sometimes mixing in an ambient mic with the board feed adds some depth, but it has to be done in real time and with a light touch.

On the other hand, I do enjoy some late 80's/early 90's shows. I can usually find something that appeals to me from just about any era. When I listen to a great 68 or 73 or 74 show, I'm not looking for songs/sounds from the latter years and vice-versa.

I believe that there is something worthwhile to be found from all eras of the music.


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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 29, 2010 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How matrixes got borned

Hey CLIFF & DIAP: I think the ENTIRE matrix thing is attributable to 8-6-71.

Anyone agree with this hypothesis? The whole notion that everyone agrees H2H is hot because of the lock step crowd reaction with Jerry's outstanding lead...

My idea is that this caused folks to think you have to mix in both to achieve nirvana. I don't buy it...sure, I appreciate it "worked" in that particular instance, but I think it stands up even with the SBD on RTrips.

Anyone else?

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 29, 2010 1:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How matrixes got borned

8/6/71..that could be the birth. An original matrix- where both the SB & and an Aud mike are recording live.
I enjoy the later matrix's when the crowd reaction is relevent to the excitment of the show. Seamons does grate work with most of the shows he's worked on.

On the other hand, idle crowd banter is negative & some SB's are too sterile for me

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jan 29, 2010 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How matrixes got borned


Don't fuck with my levels

http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-07-28.fob-senn421.wise.4980.sbefail.shnf

AUDs Rule!!

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Jan 29, 2010 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How matrixes got borned

I would much rather listen to an audience recording than a matrix. I taped shows for about 115 years and still have all my gear. Just don't get out that much to record anymore.

I do prefer board tapes for the older stuff, but I like a good audience of shows I attended.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 29, 2010 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How matrixes got borned

Hey--us oldsters can appreciate this...in the future, I will try to abbrev your handle as "dogs" as the other one...well...it makes me think of "depends"...I know you'll understand since I do.

Speaking of such, I am still hoping to hear all is well with the most recent hip work; I am waiting another six months for the "new" knee...

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Jan 29, 2010 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How matrixes got borned

Yeah the DIAP does look like an abbreviation for diaper. I had never thought of it before though, but I do answer to many things - some of which can't be posted in mixed company.

The hips are doing great. Last October/November they found an infection and treated me with IV anti-biotics for six weeks. That seems to have cured all the aching and discomfort. I feel better than I have since about 2005 or so... Too bad it took 4 surgeries to get here.

I feel for you and the knee replacement. Hope all goes well. My advice is be patient with your recovery and don't rush it. Time heals!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 29, 2010 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How matrixes got borned

Good news!

And don't worry bout me--as we discussed with Mando, I already have a supply of metamucil and...well...okay, in the interest of Forum Decorum, I'll leave it at that.

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Poster: dogsinapile! Date: Jan 29, 2010 2:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How matrixes got borned

What? Me worry?

I am excited right now because we are expecting a big winter storm here in Central NC. Supposed to get somewhere around 12" of snow in the next 24 hours or so. WOOO!!! HOOO!!! Beer drinking and listening to some Good Ol' Grateful Dead sounds like what I'll be ding this weekend.
Don't have to go back to work until Tuesday!
I LOVE IT!!!

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jan 29, 2010 4:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How matrixes got borned

They're tellin' us 12" to 18" here in southside VA. That would be more than the last several winters combined.

On the subject at hand, it is hard to make generalizations about the aud/sbd/mtx comparison. There is too much variation with each type of recording. I'll take a clean aud over a flat board anyday. But, the reverse can be true and good sbd beats a noisy, off level aud. As far as the matrix, it can only be as good as the aud and sbd that were used for the combination...a flat sbd + a noisy aud = 1 loust mtx.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 29, 2010 2:26pm
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Ah--sounds good! Makes wish I had a fireplace in this furnace we call home out West...enjoy!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 29, 2010 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How matrixes got borned

"got borned"??

That 4am knock on the door? The Grammar Gestapo just made a housecall, buddy...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 29, 2010 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How matrixes got borned

Yep; and to think I mentioned Strunk and White today...blasphemy.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

"Its like adding a laugh track to a TV show... "....no need for that around here!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

" How could aduterating a pristine Eaton or Cantor sourced Charlie Miler soundboard with crowd sounds possibly enhance a listening experience?"

I don't ever download them myself. I allmsot always go with the SBD but I will say to answer your question that one example I can think of where it might enhance is 6-22-73. I haven't bothered to hear the matrix but I always prefer the aud to the sbd. The SBD has much lower levels and the full sound doesn't come out as good as the AUD in my opinion.

See I find that one thing that is often missing when listening to the SBD is the actual tone of the band and sometimes you need to get the depth to hear it, like the way the notes travled and bounced off things. Can't really explain it but it's not about crowd noise. Course it needs to be a really good aud for me to prefer it over the SBD - some examples are the Frost 82 shows, the 9/75 Golden gate Park show, Watkins Glen soundcheck.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 29, 2010 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I agree Johnny. It seems that magical reverb is present on early SBDs(they way you can hear the dirty guitar make the cymbals shiver). I instantly think of 68 and 71. There is some sort of collective HUMMMMM(not bad, or hiss) which does not exist on most SBDs after 1974. It's non-existent on most of the 79-84 SBDs.

I guess it's due in part to equipment change and perhaps the size and acoustics(or lack)of the venues post-74.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 29, 2010 5:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I suppose there are some specific moments, such as a criminally bad cover of "Get Back" in '87, that have a certain novelty to them based on their sheer awfulness.* But with so much great music to choose from, I myself can't see spending much time on them.

*Note that the vast majority of these moments fall sometime after 1981

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jan 29, 2010 6:52am
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"Note that the vast majority of these moments fall sometime after 1981"

Indeed they do. Its obviously hard to pinpoint, but I'd say there's about 50 legitimate 5 star moments - not shows, but just songs, or groups of songs from 82 - 91. And probably say 15 legitimate 5 star shows. And that's being generous.

I find myself in this discussion with a friend of mine often... He holds that the band and Jerry in particular had a better sound, and played more consistently (because Jerry's skills had improved more over the years rather than declined) from the late 80's through 91.

While I enjoy a bunch of stuff from those time periods I think its an absolutely insane perception of the band.

Even more insane is his assertion that 3/24/93 is a top 10 show of all-time.

The only thing I can think of is that he prefers the band as more of nostalgia act/rock band rather than the creative/psychedelic/exploratory force to be reckoned with the band was from 68-77.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 29, 2010 7:26am
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Hard to know sarcasm from serious commentary in some of the responses above, but take yours for the latter, CC. However, I have to ask--you do like the early 80s, right? Or am I thinking of BillyD on that conversation? Though I think you are probably right about the stats for the period you discuss, because I haven't examined them, I can't say first hand. My question is, if you are one that appreciates some shows in the 80s, early, I am just curious: is it that you think particular songs within an ave show just happen to be outstanding? Or do you accept that in general they've declined, but somehow they pull off a show that you just really happen to like?

The reason why I am wondering is that for me, in say spring of 69, most all the shows are so similar that it's hard to say this one is a "10" and then this one is a "3" and so on...on the other hand, I can defn say "though this show is a '10' in my book, the CosCharl within it is a '3'!" if that makes sense...

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jan 29, 2010 7:49am
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You are correct in assuming the latter Sir Tell.

I do enjoy some stuff from the 80's and 90's.

I have listened to complete shows of the time period, but more than anything I opt for just some choice selection from a particular show. So to relate it to your question - I think that the band had some outstanding and spectacular songs within shows that vary in overall execution.

On the other hand there are maybe 6 or so entire shows that I happen to really like.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 29, 2010 7:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Your friend is delusional...

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jan 29, 2010 7:44am
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I've told him that numerous times... the discussions have turned to heated arguments at times.

I find it amazing that he thinks things like the China>Rider from 2/24/74 is just ok... but an Althea from 7/19/89 is something to marvel at.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:12am
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well that Althea IS something to marvel at but I agree that he is insane if he thinks the band and Jerry were better in those years than the 70's

I must say though that i think 89-91 were very good years for the band, but you'd definitely have to be crazy to think that those years are better. To me 72-74 was their peak musically with 77 being their last great year.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 29, 2010 1:24pm
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I would have to agree that when looking at the band's downhill slide during (roughly) the second half of their career, '88-'90 (maybe a little '91) sort of represents a last feint at vitality. There's still nothing during this period that can hope to stand toe-to-toe with the best shows of the 60s and 70s, but at least there's some some sign of a pulse during this period.

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Poster: Dr. Bilvis Date: Jan 30, 2010 10:52am
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To me, that last most vital moment of the 80s when they played with renewed and impressive energy night after night is Spring '87. It's like they were reenergized after Jerry's swoon and thrilled to be back on the road. Listen to that tour. They play tight, with authority, and passion every night. I prefer that tour to just about anything in 89-90. Jerry's guitar effects and Brent's increasing cheesy songs and sometimes keyboard work all diminish that 89-90 period. That said, I enjoy all the 80s but yes one cannot compare the late 80s with, say the brilliance of 1977. I see the 90s as another step down. There's some good stuff but those great moments are rarer.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 30, 2010 5:35pm
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'87 was undoubtedly an exciting time because of Garcia's return to the stage, and the songs were certainly tightened up in comparison to the absolutely dreadful efforts of 1986. Still, I find 1987 as a whole to be woefully lacking in inspired jamming. Post coma, it really isn't until well into 1988 that they seem to start stretching things out a bit. Just my two cents.

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 29, 2010 1:35pm
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well maybe.....

TRAIWRECK.jpg

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:34am
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I agree that Althea and that whole show is hot as hell... but c'mon... it doesn't even come close to what the transition jam in 2/24/74 China>Rider is on any level.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:57am
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oh don't get me wrong, I agree 100% I'm totally with you. Although 5-19-74 happens to be my all time favorite Chine>Rider transition. Incredibly flawless.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:00am
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I still don't get the Dean Dome obsession... In 93 Garcia's guitar tone was just horrible. Sounded like he was playing with those plastic strings they put on kids guitars.

5/19/74 is another special China>Rider indeed.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:25am
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I don't get the obsession either, my guess it would be from the types who caught all their shows those years. I will say I think the Spanish jam is pretty sweet, one application where I like Jerry's midi effects.

Not a big 93 fan but there's a couple I like such as 3-27-93

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Poster: vapors Date: Jan 29, 2010 5:16pm
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Well what the heck. While neither obsessed or terribly impressed by listening to the 3/24/93 recording just now, I do however recall a very special reunion with old tour mates in NC, and we danced to our hearts delight to songs we loved. Must have been too happy at the time to realize the music would suck today. :)

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:22am
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CC: "I've told him that numerous times... the discussions have turned to heated arguments at times."

Damnit! Stop talkin' and just whoop his ass!


TOOTMO

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:36am
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Usually it ends with each of us picking shows and forcing the other to listen, as we illustrate our points.

He loves Garcia's guitar sound in the later years... especially 93 for some reason. Overall he likes the "digital dead" sound.

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Poster: drspark61 Date: Jan 29, 2010 12:26pm
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I'm no fan of Garcia's tone in '93 (or the band's performance generally in the '90s), but I think Bob's guitar tone suffered the most in the later years. Brittle and astringent.

I still cringe every time I hear that "car horn" effect. Blecch!

Digital Dead never did much for me.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Perhaps, my post above was out of line; I know the gregulator would not be happy with me:

Reviewer: gregulator - - May 29, 2009
Subject: this night was magical-no doubt
As much as people bash 90's Dead, I get annoyed with the 70's sometimes as well. Whatever. Make no mistake, this was 'magical' for the 90's or whenever imo. I don't know if i'd say best in the last 3 years... there were a lot of gems in there if you can get past vince/bob cheese fest. The 90s brought us some of the best of the jerry ballads, ever. This night the gem might have been the 'roses'..of course the LSdiamons. And 93 jerry was with it for sure. HCSunshine was big for the time, and of course Box of rain was huge as well. I don't know about best crazy fingers ever, but it was good for the time. I also don't know if I'd say best of any song, I believe it is totally relevant to the time period is how you judge best ever. Guess what, it may seem like it is cool to bash 90s dead but ya had to be there, i GUESS. Seems like a bandwagon thing at this point. Don't hate if you cant relate.


That's my mantra for 2K10: Don't hate if you can't relate.

TOOTMO-lator

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:45am
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I assume that review is in re: 3/24/93?

Your previous wasn't out of line... just funny!

Top 10 lists, especially dead related are about as subjective as things get... I'll agree that NC 93 show is a good one, and likely the last time the band played a whole show on any level better than average.

It just ain't no top 10 ever. Period. Whoops I need and iPad...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:00am
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hey man, you guys aint ever going to convince each other as frustrating as it is. Just take some solace in knowing that you are the one that is right

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jan 29, 2010 8:25am
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I would say the difference is, that after the 70's, there are some awesome, inspired , moments, songs etc, that I would not want to live without .
But, somewhere in the 80's, some of the songs start sounding like "songs we used to play better before ", say, some of the Europe 72 stuff, or the cowboy songs; they just don't quite sound right . There are times when they sound OK, get of a creditable performance ( Jerry comes up with something good ) of these tunes, but mostly this is the stuff you listen trough/tolerate , till you get to the highlights .
And yes more train wrecks happen later , but sometimes in an almost dreadful show there might be a "Days Between", or such that is worth the trip .Still . that "Get Back"... poor Bob .

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:20am
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"I suppose there are some specific moments, such as a criminally bad cover of "Get Back" in '87, that have a certain novelty to them based on their sheer awfulness.* But with so much great music to choose from, I myself can't see spending much time on them."


I agree with you! I didn't spend alot of time with it..
The reviews were just so bad that I had to check it out for myself. For once I am in agreement with the reviews...this one is pretty bad!! Skipped around to a few of the Bobby songs, as most of the complaints were pointed in his direction. Justifiably so...Bobby is elsewhere on this night.

This kind of reminds me of those times when we were kids...
Your friend would eat or drink something nasty tasting.
After the "eew, that's terrible" came the inevitable "here, you try it!" Most people would wisely say no thanks. I was always that inquizitive kid that would have to try it for myself. (probably a character flaw)

I was just wondering if anyone else was "that kid"

For the record...if you are NOT that kid, stay away from the TDIH from '87. It is Bad!! May possibly rival Donner Summit '85 as worst show ever!

RIP Otis!!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 29, 2010 6:58am
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"*Note that the vast majority of these moments fall sometime after 1981"

I have noticed that. And for some strange reason these moments seemed to occur with even more frequency and in more dramatic fashion during the 90's...

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Poster: abilene22 Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I remember this show; brought along a girl that I was trying to impress. She wasn't. Her assessment: 'That sucked'

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Jan 29, 2010 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Why in the name of ALL that is holy, did I do that? I've recently been having difficuties listening to the 80's as it is. Ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you I HATE scary movies and resisted for weeks when the Blair Witch Project came out not to see it.
I was goaded and dared to watch it ( kinda like this thread) and covinced myself that it couldn't be that bad. I still have nightmares and now completely obstinent about something that has even the slightest potential of scaring the crap out of me (the movie Legion?)
I doubt if I can ever listen to an 80's show again and not hear that gawd awful Hell in a bucket.
Train Wreck ? Oh shit! The carnage.

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deadhead Wrecks (Dead Related)

Anyone think it may of had something to do with "IN THE DARK" ?

Boneheads

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jan 29, 2010 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

All of this era-to-era cock measuring gets really old.

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Poster: Smokestack Jones Date: Jan 29, 2010 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Spoken like the guy with the shortest cock in the room.



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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jan 29, 2010 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Real classy. Thanks a lot.

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Poster: Smokestack Jones Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Classy Deadheads? Now I've heard everything.

Art thou offendeth?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 29, 2010 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

dude, a friggin penile enhancement surgery couldnt help your "shortstack"...errrr, i mean "smokestack"

try another board, brother

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Poster: Smokestack Jones Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Penile enhancement? Maybe you could recommend your Dr. to me since your still the biggest dick in this place.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

flattery will get you nowhere Shortstack

(though i do appreciate the compliment)

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Poster: Smokestack Jones Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

You're welcome dropandgobble0701.

You still sober?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

lol - that was actually funny


yes, still sober - a bit over 16 months now

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Poster: Smokestack Jones Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Great. I'm glad to hear that.
It's a great life if you don't weaken.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

thank you and you are right :)

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

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Poster: Smokestack Jones Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Hey what a coincidence.
You hate Dick Wolf and Dire loves to Wolf Dick.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

lmao!!!

ok - that is two good ones

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 30, 2010 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jan 29, 2010 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Look man, I didn't pick a fight with you. So just drop it.

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Poster: Smokestack Jones Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Why were you picking a fight at all?
If you ain't got nothing to add to the conversation then shut the fuck up.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I wasn't picking a fight at all my friend. I really don't know what your problem is. Take a deep breath and relax.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

and you are adding what exactly??

typical fuckin tool

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Well, he's about doubled his total number of posts here on a rant about penises! Probably gets an email alert every time the word "cock" appears somewhere.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

and each email alert contains a .wav file saying "me love you long time, shortstack"


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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Bring in on, Donny Dick.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

didnt you mean bring "it" on??

check your spelling chris

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 29, 2010 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

whatever, Donny Dick

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 29, 2010 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

when will you learn that after a severe brain injury, you need to re-educate yourself.

not the brightest bulb there chrissy - go back to sleep in your '72 Dodge Dart

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Poster: pHurthur Date: Jan 30, 2010 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

You're right dd..... higher education it is !

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 29, 2010 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

I find these discussions quite entertaining...

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jan 29, 2010 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Well, I obviously get something out of them too or else I wouldn't be here.

My point is, as someone who has found something to like in most every year, I have a hard time understanding why people have developed such combative positions about this or that era. I just don't understand the reason for all the trash talk. To me it just seems like so much schoolyard bullshit.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 29, 2010 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

"To me it just seems like so much schoolyard bullshit."

How right you are!

When I first started participating at this forum, I used to be offended by the behavior of trolls like smi2les. I thought that since LMA was a serious "Library of Grateful Dead Resources" that its forum should be for relevent music discussion only. I used get quite disapointed when Direwolf, SDH or Robthewordsmith hijacked interesting music threads with salutations and diverted serious discussions with idle chit-chat. But over the years I have come to the conclusion that this forum is nothing more than a playground for Deadheads.

"I have a hard time understanding why people have developed such combative positions about this or that era..."

It's quite simple! It's quite fun pushing the buttons of the folks like you and billydillions, and the other fervent defenders of the 80's and 90's, who get so hot and bothered when someone is critical of the later years.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

"It's quite simple! It's quite fun pushing the buttons of the folks like you and billydillions, and the other fervent defenders of the 80's and 90's, who get so hot and bothered when someone is critical of the later years."

That's obvious, Cliff. Pushing other people's buttons -- what a truly noble endeavor. Congrats. You must be lots of fun at parties.

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Poster: Smokestack Jones Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

You better watch out. If you don't continue to kiss Cliff's ass you will be ostracized.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

"It's quite fun pushing the buttons of the folks"

That's an admission of troll behavior. Is it not?

Idle chat is easier to take than abrasive argument for arguments sake.

Boy the weather is nice today. I love the smell of burnt troll in the morning.

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Jan 29, 2010 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

The sound of a hammer hitting the nail right on the head.

It is ironic that the some of 'troll accusers' on this board subsequently turn out to be the biggest trolls of all.

Mentioning no names at all.

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Poster: Smokestack Jones Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Yeah, doesn't it suck when you can't control people and make them do what you think they should do.

"But over the years I have come to the conclusion that this forum is nothing more than a playground for Deadheads."

Really Cliff? This took you years to figure out? I must admit that I gave you more credit.

Life's tough Cliff, it's even tougher when you're stupid.

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Poster: Smokestack Jones Date: Jan 29, 2010 9:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

Way to kiss Cliff's ass.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jan 29, 2010 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

"My point is, as someone who has found something to like in most every year, I have a hard time understanding why people have developed such combative positions about this or that era. I just don't understand the reason for all the trash talk. To me it just seems like so much schoolyard bullshit."

I totally agree.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Jan 29, 2010 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

also agree, but gotta admit there is some genuine creative thinking going on in this thread;

(((appreciation is subjective so you must be missing half your brain if you appreciate something i don't appreciate)))

too funny!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 29, 2010 3:22pm
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That's probably because you're as half baked as I be (drug-free, mind you), and you were just watching to see how long it took Rob to critique my "creative" use of the verb "borned"...but, having just happened upon Deliverance, the movie, late at night the other day, it just sorta seemed appropos, to use a hooty-potatooy word...

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jan 29, 2010 3:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Gone are the days when the cocks fall down

Who cares about the size of one rooster to another.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jan 29, 2010 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Train Wrecks (Dead Related)

It's sort of like watching a train wreck about to happen.

Really, people ... it's music. There's no accounting for taste?